HI Guys & Girls,

I orignally posted this on my private Yahoo Hypnotorious Group and thought it may make for an interesting discussio here...

Yes the heading was meant to be controversial and offensive to get
you to read this posting as its very important and potentially life
changing for you all..

FIRSTLY - I have barred Dr. Nathaniel from the Yahoo Hypnotorious
Newsgroup as frankly if anyone is going to tell it like it truly is
and upset people on this group its me as its my group - LOL!

However on the subjects of ETHICS - RULE'S - LAWS - LEGISLTAION AND
JOINING PROFESSIONAL BODIE'S I am about to answer any and all
questions you may have and also perhaps raise ones you did not
realise you had..

So yes this is a long posting and when replying, please do DELETE ALL
of what I have written first so you don't jam up everyones inboxes..

OK so heres what the National Council For Hypnotherapy say on their
site at this time about Regulation:

http://www.hypnotherapists.org.uk/cms/news_item.asp?LTid=133

BOTTOM LINE = There is no Legally recognised qualification or
registration for Hypnosis and/or NLP in England and there are
currently no plans for this.

Next take a look at what it says at this web link:

http://www.hypnotherapists.org.uk/cms/news_item.asp?LTid=224

This is BOLLOCK'S and just another way for the stuck up straight
laced wankers to attempt to take control of the industry and try to
set up a monopoloy on training where acreditation is only offered to
those in the clic and then only for a yearly fee for a piece of
fundamentally worthless paper!

NOW CHECK OUT THIS LINK:

http://www.ukcho.co.uk/about_the_ukcho.htm

Apparently STAGE-HYPNOTIST'S can't join - WHY NOT?

Basically that means Paul Mckenna can't join but do you think he
cares?

It means I can't join and yet I see clients reguarly and indeed have
helped to train some of the worlds leading Hypnotherapists but just
cause I do stage I am excluded - now thats what I call Bollocks!

Especially when on this page:
http://www.ukcho.co.uk/about_the_ukcho.htm they say and I quote:

The UK Confederation of Hypnotherapy Organisations was founded in
1998 in order to provide a non political arena to discuss and
implement changes to the profession of hypnotherapy.

NON POLICTICAL MY ARSE - What they seem to forget is that where it
not for STAGE HYPNOTIST'S

a) Keeping Hyposis alive and in the public eye

b) Over the years developing many techniques which therapists now
take for granted and claim as their own.

THEN THERE WOULD BE NO HYPNOTHERAPY & NLP BUSINESS

Indeed True History Shows that Mesmer was A Street Performer and
the "Stage Hypnotist" of his time who earnt money from entertaining
and initially only gave so called cures as a sideline until this
became his bigger business..

Whoops that sounds incredibly like Paul MckEnnas career path also!

FACT = Many of the worlds leading Hypnotherapy Trainers and Respected
names in Hypnosis Training are and/or have been STAGE HYPNOTISTS..so
why do the National Council for Hypnotherapy and such like BAN Stage
Hypnotists - yet I bet they'd let many of the following become
members (some are dead for illustration only)

JONATHAN ROYLE - http://www.hypnotherapycourse.net

Richard Nongard - http://www.subliminalscience.com/

Ormond McGill - http://www.hypnotherapy.com/ormond_mcgill.html

GIL BOYNE - http://www.gil-boyne.com/

Peter Casson - http://www.hypno1.co.uk/BookBiographies.htm#Casson

Neil French - http://www.hypnoanalysis.com/history.html

Tom Silver - http://www.tomsilver.com/

Paul Mckenna - http://www.paulmckenna.com/

All of the people in the above list (living and dead) are GREATLY
RESPECTED in their fields as a) Competent Ethical Therapists that get
positive results for their clients and usually also b) As One of the
Worlds Leading Trainers of Hypnosis and NLP Techniques..

BUT GET THIS - THEY ALL ARE OR HAVE BEEN ACTIVE STAGE HYPNOTIST'S

In fact all the one's that are still living STILL DO STAGE HYPNOSIS
SHOWS or would I am certain for the right client so are The National
Council for Hypnotherapy & UKCHO saying that they would not let these
people be members?

THATS A MONOPOLY MENTALITY AND MONOPOLY'S ARE ILLEGAL..

Indeed I could add many more names to the list but I hope you get my
point these so called ETHCIAL SOCIEITIES are so full of bullshit and
self importance that they BAN the people that have provided them with
an industry in the first place or at least they "pretend" to ..

I say "pretend" to because be honest other than Controversial me do
you honestly believe that any of the people mentioned in the above
list would be turned down for membership???

NO of course not - they'd be happy to have such names connected to
their membership and thats DOUBLE STANDARD'S and my feeling is if the
public knew what double standards these idiots have then they would
not go to any therapist that was a member of them.

I QUOTE FROM THEIR SITE AGAIN:

"UKCHO does not condone the use of stage hypnosis, and stage
hypnotists are not acceptable as members of UKCHO Member
Organisations or Associate Member Organisations."

Now take a look at the list of MEMBER BODIES whom by the above
statemen will a) NOT TRAIN AND/OR ALLOW STAGE HYPNOTISTS TO BE
MEMEBRS..

http://www.ukcho.co.uk/member_bodies.htm

And heres some comments on some of them as follows:

http://www.aphp.co.uk - Terrence Watts - I could actually legally get
his Trademark of APHP removed as on file we have an order form from
him buying my home study CMT course and proof that he only registered
the trademark of APHP some months after obtaining my course which
mentions APHP throughout, further I can provide proof that APHP was
being used connected to Hypnotherapy since the mid to late 1980's by
Brian Howard who later gave me permission to us ethe initials and
market his courses etc... NOT EXACTLY ETHICAL THEN IS HE? -
Especially when he had the cheek to threaten me with court action for
using the initials APHP when in fact I have the legal rights and
proof to be able to a) Get his Trademark Revoked and b) Stop him ever
using APHP in any manner connected to hypnosis....

http://www.thehypnotherapyassociation.co.uk - Costa Lambrias is a
member of this group as are many other members and committe members
of their society. Indeed at least TWO of the commitee members have
done STAGE HYPNOSIS training in person with me at my seminars so
again double standards?

http://www.ukguild.com - Wilf Proudfoot was originally taught by I
understand GIL BOYNE and uses materials licensed from GIL who is and
has been a STAGE HYPNOTIST... can you see a pattern starting here?

http://www.abc-hypnotherapy.co.uk - Bill Atkinson Ball was known for
his Instant Stage Style inductions and I have heard rumours (may be
untrue?) that from time to time he did do STAGE HYPNOSIS..

In fact I could go on and on and on, FACT IS the majority of people
on this list: http://www.ukcho.co.uk/member_bodies.htm have either
attended STAGE HYPNOSIS or Hypnotherapy courses with me in person or
have purchased MANY DVD's which in itself is CONTRADICTORY to the so
called rules they are supposed to be abiding and operating by..

Another example is Ursula Markham -
http://www.mindtec.co.uk/prods/hypnothink.html a respected
hypnotherapy trainer she was married to and learnt much from ROMARK
THE STAGE HYPNOTIST http://sidsmith.blogspot.com/2001/03/ch-ch-ch-ch-
change-is.html

Hopefully you will have got my point by now regarding STAGE
HYPNOTIST'S and the majority of Hypnotherapists who frankly ARE SHIT
AT HYPNOTISING PEOPLE compared to the majority of Stage Hypnotists
that I have encountered...

And another example is JONATHAN CHASE - http://www.jonathanchase.com/
one time STAGE HYPNOTIST who does some shows still and yet teaches
Hypnotherapy..

My point is that the likes of all the members listed here:
http://www.ukcho.co.uk/member_bodies.htm have frankly got their head
stuck up their arses as have in my opinion the majority of people who
pay good money each year to be a member of these worthless "shit
heaps" (just my opinion) of brainwashing, controlling, we want to
look ethical and powerful but actually can't earn a decent living
without charging people yearly fees for a scabby membership types.

The truth about Hypnosis and NLP certfication etc in England and many
other places is here: http://www.hypnotherapycertification.biz/

And I'd suggest that you consider (relating to me Jonathan Royle and
my hypnosis trainings and certifications in NLP - Hypnosis and my
creation of Complete Mind Therapy) these two web links:

http://www.mindpowerprofits.com/testimonials.htm and also:

http://www.hypnotherapycourse.net/

I mention this beacuse the DIPLOMA'S I ISSUE are 100% Legal and 100%
as good if not better than any you can obtain anywhere else and heres
my proof for this:

A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE?

Taken From: http://www.allanturner.co.uk/papers/transpersonal.html

"When a new field of endeavor is put under legislative control, the
regulative laws usually include a clause that allows people already
recognized as qualified in this area to be licensed. This is
called, "the grandfather clause."

And lets face it with testimonials for my training like those shown
earlier MY COURSE'S will be 100% legally entitled to such and
therefore my Certifications will also be LEGALLY RECOGNISED in the
same manner as others around if (big if) and when (doubt it) such
regulation and laws ever did come into force in UK.

And here's a dictonary definiion of "Grandfather Clause"

Grandfather Clause
An exemption that allows persons or entities to continue with an
activity they were engaging in before it became illegal through a
change in regulation.

Notes:
For example, imagine there's a passing of a new law that states
restaurants can serve only food with less than ten grams of fat per
serving. If accompanied by a grandfather clause, the law would affect
only new restaurants. All restaurants that began operating prior to
the law would therefore be allowed to continue selling their
products, regardless of whether their fat content exceeds the ten-
gram limit. Because of the change in regulation, however, new
restaurants must abide by the new law. Grandfathering is a debatable
practice that often hinders some and benefits others.

IN OTHERWORD'S EVERYONE I HAVE AND DO ISSUE CERTIFICATIONS TO before
any such UK Law and/or regulation takes place will 100% Legally Be
able to remain trading, and guess what I DON'T RIP PEOPLE OFF FOR A
YEARLY FEE!

Frankly what truly PISSE ME OFF is all the people charging people
yearly membership fees for what at this time is fundamentally a
useless piece of paper with no true legal worth, certainly no more
worth than any I issue to people..

In fact lets be honest the bits of paper are only for YOUR EGO'S and
for your clients perception of you..

A piece of paper does not make you a good therapist, in fact it
offers the public NO PROTECTION WHATSOEVER - they just think it does
at the moment as I explain on my DVDS...

I ALSO HATE THERAPISTS who take many sessions to "CURE" things that
can be done in ONE SESSION in far quickr time for less cost to the
client..

Yes many therapists out there ARE RIPPING OFF THEIR CLIENT'S but
perhaps doing so intentionally as their inferior brain washed
training led them as therapists to believe that these problems could
not be CURED in one session.

Degrees wise mine is in Psychology from http://www.chelseau.org.uk/
and based on all my products here http://www.hypnotherapycourse.net -
indeed my book alone on hypnosis is more than twice the size of a
nomal dissetation.. AND YES ITS LEGAL as it has been APOSTILLED (see
http://www.apostille.biz/?crtag=Google1 - and also been stamped by UK
Minsitry and Commonwealth office..

FACT IS - The Law states that as long as I can do what my piece of
paper claims I can (with exception of such things as a Medical
Doctor) then I am not misleading anyone and as such its 100% Legal..

TRUTH = Yes its only there for marketing and to increase perception
with my clients BUT IT WORK'S and it works well..

As an ETHICAL therapist its my belief that you should DO EVERYTHING
THAT IS LEGAL to help your clients in the fastest ad safest way
possible.

And as a human ebing I think you owe it to yourself and family to
MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE and thats where marketing comes in..

I could keep going on but I reckon this post will stir a big enough
hornets nest..

POINT IS: open your eyes, stop being sheep led by stuck up wanna be
power tripping committee members who in many cases are actually not
particualry good therapists..

Just some thoughts

Alex (Jonathan Royle) Smith
http://www.selfgrowth.com/experts/jonathan_royle.html

PS: Please do circulate this to all your therapists friends and tell
them to join this group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypnotorious in
order to post their replies.

PPS: I am going to email this is JONATHAN CHASE - yes I know wwe fell
out once and I banned him from the group but he is a very clever man
and I would love to hear his comments on this posting.

PPS: Lets remember that one of the reasons Bandler conined the name NLP was to get around some US Hypnosis Laws!